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=HT=Ingram · Jul 22, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Oh and if for some reason you stop playing WoW. they will continue to charge you till you contact them and DEMAND they stop billing your credit card. In the end I had to CANCEL my Credit Card because they absolutely refused to stop billing me. even though I had not played the garbage game, and sent it to the landfill once guildwars came out. And as far as game playing done after a month. well hell I still play Kings quest 5 that I bought 20 years ago. Can you say the same of online pay as you go game? hell no cause your $50 was a waste of time and money cause it is gone forever.

Buying a game is something to KEEP and replay when YOU want too, not just for the perceived honor to get charged out the butt for it regardless of your playing it. I may not have played guildwars as much as some, But I know my account will still be there if I take a break from it for a month or so. that's what makes the system great. You can play it as fanatical or as casually as you want too... and its not problem either way.

As a guy that beta tested WoW, Matrix online, EverQuest 2, StarWars Galaxies, URU, and any number of others. GuildWars is the only one I stayed with beyond launch. Why? Cause it was free to continue to play for your initial $50. and Stays that way as long as the service exists. Can you imagine the amount a player would be charged playing all of those per month. Its outrageous. If I want to buy more chapters in Guildwars it is an OPTION, not a requirement. And as such, I probably will get them, cause I like options. treat your customer base good and they come back. treat them like manure and you loose them for life. See ya , No loss too the gaming world we can do better without ya. Guildwars is a testament to that.

Nigy · Jul 22, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56

that's a lot of beta tests....lucky....

ok...you've made up my mind that im most liekly to buy guild wars....ppl even say that you CAN play it on my graphics controller...although barely.

i wish i could work my parents for some money for a graphics card...but they wont. my birthday IS in just under a month though...so ill probably make up the defeciet of buying a card then...

htingram how DID you get to test all those?

Borealis · Jul 22, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38

You're seriously asking on the wrong forum for an unbiased view of these games....you know that right?

I picked up WoW about a week ago and the world just seems alot more alive to be honest, I logged in tonight as my lvl12 orc to see like 10 duels going on at once in a small city, so I sat down and watched people duel while the moon rose in the background of the fighting. Very cool.

15 a month is chump change if YOU believe you're getting what you pay for, to this point I'm not cancelling it. I've yet to see any whiners either at any point at all during the game, granted I'm new to it, but if I log into GW right now and hit up temple of the ages I'm willing to bet at least 1/2 the districts have a flame war going on about something or other right now.

thestealthcow101 · Jul 22, 2005, 07:06 AM // 07:06

i wont't metion everything, because i've only gotten a few hours on WoW and a bunch on GW, but fear not, i still have great reasons why WoW is an amazing game.

WoW...well, compared to GW, as the above poster stated...just seems more alive. there's always something or another going on, people out in the world with you killing monsters. of course, GW was not made like this...sometimes i regret it, sometimes i don't.

mounts. WoW has them, GW doesn't. teleporting is a great thing in GW, but mounts are just cool, and...cool.

and, if you've seen ANY actiony videos in WoW, you notice one thing...the groups. they're HUUGEE. you'll see a huuugee group, all getting ready, preparing to take on the next challenging room. search for "elite chaos: blackwing lair"..its a movie, watch it. and then play guild wars, and tell me you don't wish for mobs that size, while your group is that big.

AceSnyp3r · Jul 22, 2005, 07:10 AM // 07:10

I've played both GW and WoW, and I think they're excellent games in their own respects. WoW has more of the "MMO" aspect, has lots of great community and economy features, stylish and creative graphics, and instanced dungeons second to none. Guild Wars is more like a multiplayer RPG than an MMO, has a much more balanced set of classes, and an interesting new implementation by allowing Primary/Secondary professions. It also has a good team that listens to the community, and a solid PvP system that can only get better. I eventually left WoW though, the grind got to me, as did the more PvE-centric gameplay with focus more on uber-gear than pure skill and creative and cunning use of spells and skills. Of course, that was after logging some 400 hours of gameplay. Guild Wars just appeals to my tastes in gameplay more, but they're both top-notch games worthy of acknowledgement.

sino-soviet · Jul 22, 2005, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Guild Wars has superior pvp. After beta testing wow and playing into release, I can honestly say that WOW's pvp is a mess. No tactics no strategy, just an awful hack and slash.

But WOW does have the volume. More explorable areas, more towns, bigger world, and more interactive. But Guild wars is free. In the end, I chose Guild wars solely because its free. Guild Wars is still young and with time, it will catch up to WOW in terms of content.

Shiryou Kattami · Jul 22, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20

I think I can really only echo above sentiments. I play both WoW and GW, and it depends on what I'm after. At the moment, WoW is what rocks my boat because it's where all my friends are and I get a lot of RP satisfaction out of it - something I was never fortunate enough to find in GW. I won't reiterate the other good things about WoW because people above already have.

However, I DO like GW, and eventually I will start playing it once WoW starts to fade into monotony again. It's a fantastic 'pick me up' game - WoW is a commitment for another few hours or so. GW is fantastic for a 10 minute 'let's blast a quest' run. GW also comes without the immensely depressing 'half of my guild are 60's and I'm level 46' - the community problem with WoW is that everyone is badly split up all over the map. It's also very nice that I can hang up on GW for a month or two and not go nuts about wasting sub fees

All in all, it's whatever I currently fancy. At the moment it's WoW. A few weeks later, I imagine I'll be playing about with that E/Me again

Darkest Dawn · Jul 22, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

/Off topic

Are there any other half-way decent MMO's that don't charge a fee besides GW?

/On topic

I would love to play WOW. I love pretty much everything I hear about the game. I just don't want to make the financial investment required to do so.

I just hope that GW allows skirmishes in GvG, and increases the number of combatants for all the PvP/GvG areas. I think this would really make it the hands down winner in a lot of people's eyes who may be on the fence at this time. IMHO

Nigy · Jul 22, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

I too am interested in if any other mmmorpg's are free of monthly charge such as guild wars...

DFrost · Jul 22, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Apples and oranges. I wonder why some WoW players feel so threatened by GW (even before the release there were people who said "OMG GW SUX LOL") and why some GW players need to categorize the game. Ignore genres and what others say, play what YOU want!

Numa Pompilius · Jul 22, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Personally I'm shallow enough that I chose GW instead of WoW because the graphics of WoW are so goddamn ugly. And no, it's not ugly because it's meant to be, it's low-polygon with stretched textures because it's intended to run well on very low-spec machines. I've always wondered if WoW wasn't designed for console, due to the graphics.

I will also note that while $15 a month is small change, that's still $180 for a year. You can buy three full-priced games for that. Plus that WoW _is_ a full-priced game to start with, so total price for the first year is in the region of $230.

BurningPants · Jul 22, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

I have to agree with what other people said about the fact that these games are somewhat incomparable to another. I never tried WoW but I would love to give it a shot. Not because I am a PvE only fan, but I like the best of both worlds.

PvP in Guild Wars provides you with that satisfaction of being able to beat other players using skill and smartness. Don't you just get that grin from ear to ear when your team-mates thank you for doing a superb job in dealing with that last battle?

It's just so refreshing to play a game where time spent doesn't make a huge difference and the fact that it costs nothing makes me wonder why the servers are flooded with people.

PvE on the other hand provides you with something to occupy yourself with. The PvE in WoW sounds like loads of fun to me since there are tons of skills and items to occupy yourself with. I just like the variety of things you can fight and find in all PvE MMORPGs and WoW sounds like a game where I can go to every little corner of the map and find something new.

Grivious Maximus · Jul 22, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

"so im leaning towards guild wars....of course im still faced with the intel extreme intergrated graphics controller graphics problem...."

My laptop which has intergrated graphics runs this game beautifully with no hiccups if. I think just check the drivers your using and you should be able to run this game with no problems

Im out

Yukito Kunisaki · Jul 22, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

gw vs wow...

It really depends on you. Those of you willing to forego some snacks, food, or heck, a date with your g/f, can play WoW. $15 is piss change some say? That's $150 in 10 months.

"that's nothing" you say? That $150 can be $1500 if you use said $15/mo in smart investing.

I'm an adult who doesn't throw money away... usually. I have something most adults have to deal with too. It's called bills. Bills from real life.

In my eyes, if you have tons of cash and don't care how you spend it. WoW is fine for ya. I've seen it. I didn't play it due to too many turnoffs. I'm a former Ragnarok Online junkie and my g/f loves that game. [someone else is paying for her though, go fig] WoW is the 'standard' MMORPG. I made a post poking fun at WoW through Vgcats comic strip.

GW I think is for the person who sees gaming as just that. Gaming.
WoW is for the one who wants to live elsewhere cause their life sux0rs or something...

Korpse · Jul 22, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I haven't played WoW, but from what my friends tell me it sure sounds better. TheClam had the best reply here in my opinion; weigh it heavily. I've got to go with guild wars though - no monthly fee. Others prefer it because of the lack of a monthly fee. So whether you don't want to pay monthly, or simply don't want to pay a fee every month, the choice is yours.

Nigy · Jul 22, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

a date with your g/f

sorry, but, it wont work friday because, well ever since i started playing WoW..

you guys have provided great comparisons, but i am going to buy Guild wars.

grievous maximus, when you play guild wars, in larger battles, does it ever just....lag, or is it always smooth?

JoDiamonds · Jul 22, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

As far as I can tell, the only lag I've ever experienced in Guild Wars was due to spotty internet, never graphics. I don't have the worst system by any means, but it seems like Arena Net tried really hard and succeeded in making a pretty game that runs well on relatively "poor" systems.

Nigy · Jul 25, 2005, 03:45 AM // 03:45

to the person/people with the intel extreme graphis...just...on low settings...do you get cut up by others because of bad frame rate...or...is it playable really so it's FUN not just playable.

Avantos · Jul 25, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05

From someone who has seen both games, graphic-wise and short gameplay tour-wise...

The worst graphical setting on Guild Wars (which I use) still far surpasses the best on World of Warcraft.

It has nothing to do with frame rate. You have more to worry about with lag than frame rate in this game (and that's only if YOU have problematic internet--it affects no one else). I'm personally running the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM requirements with an unsupported graphics card--and it runs just fine.

World of Warcraft works for people who enjoy PvE that has no real direction and has a lot of things to take up their time.

Guild Wars is for those who like the idea of going through as a character in the storyline (just me, but I got a kick out of playing through the scene the manual gives) and a PvP system built from the ground up instead of thrown in there for slightly extra content (like World of Warcraft).

Rieselle · Jul 25, 2005, 04:20 AM // 04:20

The thing that made me buy wow (The only blizzard game I like was Diablo 1 - I really disagree with their design philosophy...) was that tons of my friends were playing it.

The things that made me quit wow, was the combat, which had very little variety, the fact that so much of the game is specifically designed to make you waste time repeating the same content over and over, and the very boring spell and combat graphics.

The killer was the fact that all my friends were split up over a bunch of servers, and there was no way I could play with most of them.

My friends still play and enjoy wow. The things they are enjoying are currently: Big scale pvp battles, like a full on battlefield.
Making gold. They enjoy the feeling of making a good trade in the auction house and watching numbers go up. (Sigh, commerce students).

Things that currently piss them off: Maintenance Downtime, Queues to log in to a server. (one reported waits of up to 1 hour on BlackRock, a heavily populated server) Class imbalances.

Jul 22, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36	#21
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	Oh and if for some reason you stop playing WoW. they will continue to charge you till you contact them and DEMAND they stop billing your credit card. In the end I had to CANCEL my Credit Card because they absolutely refused to stop billing me. even though I had not played the garbage game, and sent it to the landfill once guildwars came out. And as far as game playing done after a month. well hell I still play Kings quest 5 that I bought 20 years ago. Can you say the same of online pay as you go game? hell no cause your $50 was a waste of time and money cause it is gone forever. Buying a game is something to KEEP and replay when YOU want too, not just for the perceived honor to get charged out the butt for it regardless of your playing it. I may not have played guildwars as much as some, But I know my account will still be there if I take a break from it for a month or so. that's what makes the system great. You can play it as fanatical or as casually as you want too... and its not problem either way. As a guy that beta tested WoW, Matrix online, EverQuest 2, StarWars Galaxies, URU, and any number of others. GuildWars is the only one I stayed with beyond launch. Why? Cause it was free to continue to play for your initial $50. and Stays that way as long as the service exists. Can you imagine the amount a player would be charged playing all of those per month. Its outrageous. If I want to buy more chapters in Guildwars it is an OPTION, not a requirement. And as such, I probably will get them, cause I like options. treat your customer base good and they come back. treat them like manure and you loose them for life. See ya , No loss too the gaming world we can do better without ya. Guildwars is a testament to that. Last edited by =HT=Ingram; Jul 22, 2005 at 05:45 AM // 05:45..

Jul 22, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53	#31
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Personally I'm shallow enough that I chose GW instead of WoW because the graphics of WoW are so goddamn ugly. And no, it's not ugly because it's meant to be, it's low-polygon with stretched textures because it's intended to run well on very low-spec machines. I've always wondered if WoW wasn't designed for console, due to the graphics. I will also note that while $15 a month is small change, that's still $180 for a year. You can buy three full-priced games for that. Plus that WoW _is_ a full-priced game to start with, so total price for the first year is in the region of $230. Last edited by Numa Pompilius; Jul 22, 2005 at 03:55 PM // 15:55..

Jul 22, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42	#33
Grivious Maximus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Larry Flynts Hustler Club Balto., MD Guild: The Darksteel Legion Profession: W/Mo	graphic chip set "so im leaning towards guild wars....of course im still faced with the intel extreme intergrated graphics controller graphics problem...." My laptop which has intergrated graphics runs this game beautifully with no hiccups if. I think just check the drivers your using and you should be able to run this game with no problems Im out

Jul 22, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56	#22
Nigy Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle	that's a lot of beta tests....lucky.... ok...you've made up my mind that im most liekly to buy guild wars....ppl even say that you CAN play it on my graphics controller...although barely. i wish i could work my parents for some money for a graphics card...but they wont. my birthday IS in just under a month though...so ill probably make up the defeciet of buying a card then... htingram how DID you get to test all those?

Jul 22, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38	#23
Borealis Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Black Rose Gaming Profession: Mo/W	You're seriously asking on the wrong forum for an unbiased view of these games....you know that right? I picked up WoW about a week ago and the world just seems alot more alive to be honest, I logged in tonight as my lvl12 orc to see like 10 duels going on at once in a small city, so I sat down and watched people duel while the moon rose in the background of the fighting. Very cool. 15 a month is chump change if YOU believe you're getting what you pay for, to this point I'm not cancelling it. I've yet to see any whiners either at any point at all during the game, granted I'm new to it, but if I log into GW right now and hit up temple of the ages I'm willing to bet at least 1/2 the districts have a flame war going on about something or other right now.

Jul 22, 2005, 07:06 AM // 07:06	#24
thestealthcow101 Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Profession: W/Mo	i wont't metion everything, because i've only gotten a few hours on WoW and a bunch on GW, but fear not, i still have great reasons why WoW is an amazing game. WoW...well, compared to GW, as the above poster stated...just seems more alive. there's always something or another going on, people out in the world with you killing monsters. of course, GW was not made like this...sometimes i regret it, sometimes i don't. mounts. WoW has them, GW doesn't. teleporting is a great thing in GW, but mounts are just cool, and...cool. and, if you've seen ANY actiony videos in WoW, you notice one thing...the groups. they're HUUGEE. you'll see a huuugee group, all getting ready, preparing to take on the next challenging room. search for "elite chaos: blackwing lair"..its a movie, watch it. and then play guild wars, and tell me you don't wish for mobs that size, while your group is that big.

Jul 22, 2005, 07:10 AM // 07:10	#25
AceSnyp3r Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Work in Progress [WIP]	I've played both GW and WoW, and I think they're excellent games in their own respects. WoW has more of the "MMO" aspect, has lots of great community and economy features, stylish and creative graphics, and instanced dungeons second to none. Guild Wars is more like a multiplayer RPG than an MMO, has a much more balanced set of classes, and an interesting new implementation by allowing Primary/Secondary professions. It also has a good team that listens to the community, and a solid PvP system that can only get better. I eventually left WoW though, the grind got to me, as did the more PvE-centric gameplay with focus more on uber-gear than pure skill and creative and cunning use of spells and skills. Of course, that was after logging some 400 hours of gameplay. Guild Wars just appeals to my tastes in gameplay more, but they're both top-notch games worthy of acknowledgement.

Jul 22, 2005, 07:11 AM // 07:11	#26
sino-soviet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Israel before, CA now. Profession: R/Me	Guild Wars has superior pvp. After beta testing wow and playing into release, I can honestly say that WOW's pvp is a mess. No tactics no strategy, just an awful hack and slash. But WOW does have the volume. More explorable areas, more towns, bigger world, and more interactive. But Guild wars is free. In the end, I chose Guild wars solely because its free. Guild Wars is still young and with time, it will catch up to WOW in terms of content.

Jul 22, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20	#27
Shiryou Kattami Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	I think I can really only echo above sentiments. I play both WoW and GW, and it depends on what I'm after. At the moment, WoW is what rocks my boat because it's where all my friends are and I get a lot of RP satisfaction out of it - something I was never fortunate enough to find in GW. I won't reiterate the other good things about WoW because people above already have. However, I DO like GW, and eventually I will start playing it once WoW starts to fade into monotony again. It's a fantastic 'pick me up' game - WoW is a commitment for another few hours or so. GW is fantastic for a 10 minute 'let's blast a quest' run. GW also comes without the immensely depressing 'half of my guild are 60's and I'm level 46' - the community problem with WoW is that everyone is badly split up all over the map. It's also very nice that I can hang up on GW for a month or two and not go nuts about wasting sub fees All in all, it's whatever I currently fancy. At the moment it's WoW. A few weeks later, I imagine I'll be playing about with that E/Me again

Jul 22, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#28
Darkest Dawn Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ohio, USA Profession: W/Mo	/Off topic Are there any other half-way decent MMO's that don't charge a fee besides GW? /On topic I would love to play WOW. I love pretty much everything I hear about the game. I just don't want to make the financial investment required to do so. I just hope that GW allows skirmishes in GvG, and increases the number of combatants for all the PvP/GvG areas. I think this would really make it the hands down winner in a lot of people's eyes who may be on the fence at this time. IMHO

Jul 22, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#29
Nigy Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle	I too am interested in if any other mmmorpg's are free of monthly charge such as guild wars...

Jul 22, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46	#30
DFrost Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ultima Thule Guild: Legacy of Echovald [Echo] Profession: P/	Apples and oranges. I wonder why some WoW players feel so threatened by GW (even before the release there were people who said "OMG GW SUX LOL") and why some GW players need to categorize the game. Ignore genres and what others say, play what YOU want!

Jul 22, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22	#32
BurningPants Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: That Other Guild [Tog]	I have to agree with what other people said about the fact that these games are somewhat incomparable to another. I never tried WoW but I would love to give it a shot. Not because I am a PvE only fan, but I like the best of both worlds. PvP in Guild Wars provides you with that satisfaction of being able to beat other players using skill and smartness. Don't you just get that grin from ear to ear when your team-mates thank you for doing a superb job in dealing with that last battle? It's just so refreshing to play a game where time spent doesn't make a huge difference and the fact that it costs nothing makes me wonder why the servers are flooded with people. PvE on the other hand provides you with something to occupy yourself with. The PvE in WoW sounds like loads of fun to me since there are tons of skills and items to occupy yourself with. I just like the variety of things you can fight and find in all PvE MMORPGs and WoW sounds like a game where I can go to every little corner of the map and find something new.

Jul 22, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25	#34
Yukito Kunisaki Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Profession: W/N	gw vs wow... It really depends on you. Those of you willing to forego some snacks, food, or heck, a date with your g/f, can play WoW. $15 is piss change some say? That's $150 in 10 months. "that's nothing" you say? That $150 can be $1500 if you use said $15/mo in smart investing. I'm an adult who doesn't throw money away... usually. I have something most adults have to deal with too. It's called bills. Bills from real life. In my eyes, if you have tons of cash and don't care how you spend it. WoW is fine for ya. I've seen it. I didn't play it due to too many turnoffs. I'm a former Ragnarok Online junkie and my g/f loves that game. [someone else is paying for her though, go fig] WoW is the 'standard' MMORPG. I made a post poking fun at WoW through Vgcats comic strip. GW I think is for the person who sees gaming as just that. Gaming. WoW is for the one who wants to live elsewhere cause their life sux0rs or something...

Jul 22, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39	#35
Korpse Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California	I haven't played WoW, but from what my friends tell me it sure sounds better. TheClam had the best reply here in my opinion; weigh it heavily. I've got to go with guild wars though - no monthly fee. Others prefer it because of the lack of a monthly fee. So whether you don't want to pay monthly, or simply don't want to pay a fee every month, the choice is yours.

Jul 22, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49	#37
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	As far as I can tell, the only lag I've ever experienced in Guild Wars was due to spotty internet, never graphics. I don't have the worst system by any means, but it seems like Arena Net tried really hard and succeeded in making a pretty game that runs well on relatively "poor" systems.

Jul 25, 2005, 03:45 AM // 03:45	#38
Nigy Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle	to the person/people with the intel extreme graphis...just...on low settings...do you get cut up by others because of bad frame rate...or...is it playable really so it's FUN not just playable.

Jul 25, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05	#39
Avantos Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005	From someone who has seen both games, graphic-wise and short gameplay tour-wise... The worst graphical setting on Guild Wars (which I use) still far surpasses the best on World of Warcraft. It has nothing to do with frame rate. You have more to worry about with lag than frame rate in this game (and that's only if YOU have problematic internet--it affects no one else). I'm personally running the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM requirements with an unsupported graphics card--and it runs just fine. World of Warcraft works for people who enjoy PvE that has no real direction and has a lot of things to take up their time. Guild Wars is for those who like the idea of going through as a character in the storyline (just me, but I got a kick out of playing through the scene the manual gives) and a PvP system built from the ground up instead of thrown in there for slightly extra content (like World of Warcraft).

Jul 25, 2005, 04:20 AM // 04:20	#40
Rieselle Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Profession: E/Rt	The thing that made me buy wow (The only blizzard game I like was Diablo 1 - I really disagree with their design philosophy...) was that tons of my friends were playing it. The things that made me quit wow, was the combat, which had very little variety, the fact that so much of the game is specifically designed to make you waste time repeating the same content over and over, and the very boring spell and combat graphics. The killer was the fact that all my friends were split up over a bunch of servers, and there was no way I could play with most of them. My friends still play and enjoy wow. The things they are enjoying are currently: Big scale pvp battles, like a full on battlefield. Making gold. They enjoy the feeling of making a good trade in the auction house and watching numbers go up. (Sigh, commerce students). Things that currently piss them off: Maintenance Downtime, Queues to log in to a server. (one reported waits of up to 1 hour on BlackRock, a heavily populated server) Class imbalances.